fenrick, lisa, and myself met today and decided how the remainder of the a class tourney will be held, and how the s class tourney will be held.

A Class Tourney[remainder]

fenrick will run a portion of the tourney "offstage". he will choose some matches, with preference being given to matches involving [a] contending monsters and [b] trainers who can be present, and set up one more "fight night" broadcast. if any matches are left after fight night, they will be held offstage. the results will be posted, and the winners will be announced.

S Class Tourney

The start of this tourney will occur offstage. All matches involving monsters having the same trainer will automatically be done offstage. The results and standings will be posted, and people will be asked "what matches of those remaining would you like to see?" when we get responses, we will set up another fight night. if any matches remain after this fight night, they will be held offstage; results posted, and the ultimate winner will be announced.

THE FUTURE

there will be no more round-robin 10 monster tourneys - they are too slow and cumbersome. we will take input on what kind of match format trainers and fans want to see...here are 3 possibilities.

1] smaller [6 monster] round robin.

2] large tournament in elimination format.

3] 4 monster "regional" round robin tourneys of 4 monsters each, with the winners of each going to a 4 monster round robin championship.

all input is greatly appreciated, and will be seriously considered. however, fenrick will make the final decision.

Ehem... I think a 10 monster tourney is a good idea, double elimination would be my preference.

I'd like to see a regional tournament. If not that, than I wanna see a smaller round robin tourny

Actually double elimination, 8 monster tourney would be best now that I think about it. I could find the order out from the tourneys in the real game...

I'll suggest this even though my implication in this tournament is non existant. You should do like in the game and make tourneys round robins with 8 fighters, one battle makes a winner and a loser.

Plus I really think the only rule for the monsters' entry should be the NO RESET WHILE TRAINING rule. Of course it would be player honor based since nobody could verify if it was respected but would make every other rules obsolete.

Ech PT I don't like that rule, I tend to re-load if my monster cheats or fails.

Maybe add the rule of entry that the monster must be in the HoF. Some of the ones in A-class aren't.

i forgot to mention that it is now a rule, regardless of the eventual format, that only one monster per trainer in each tourney will be permitted from now on.

there are 3 factors which haven't much been discussed yet, but which will play a major role in the decision of future format for tourneys. they are monster availability, monster reusability and MR3.

MONSTER AVAILABILITY

currently, fenrick has filled one A level bracket. the S level has yet to fill. a lot of people have expressed interest, but there hasn't been a lot of committments for future entries, except from the core of trainers already participating. certainly, the amount of monsters available to work with is a very important consideration in deciding how future tourneys are to be staged.

MONSTER REUSABILITY

will the current A class be retired, or will they battle again? i can't imagine anarchist or golden eye not wanting revenge on hyde, just for starters. if so, then some possibilities of monster classification can be explored. just to throw out 2 examples, you could have a setup like the english soccer leagues, where there are multiple strength levels of groupings. after each tourney, the weakest drops a level, while the strongest moves up a level. or you could set it up like golf, where there could be several open tourneys, and then a "masters" where only winners [or high finishers] of the opens would be allowed to enter. [we have already discussed the 4x4 round robins with winners advancing to a 4x4 championship, of course]

actually, with enough monsters available and reusable, there would be no need to settle in on one particular format right away - different ones could be tested to see how they work.

MR3

this is the 800 pund gorilla as to the whole tourney concept - in about 2 months, a lot of the people competing in these tourneys will suddenly be the owners of mr3. if it is anywhere near as interesting as the first two, i know i will be spending a lot of my free time trying to prove myself "worthy" within it. when that happens, i will be far less interested in the tourneys - at least for a while.

finally, it is not my place to talk about a fourth factor - fenrick himself. but, i will anyway^_^. fenrick has been pounding the cyberpavement, selling this idea high and low for a year now. in the last 2 weeks, he has gone from wondering if it ever was going to work, to a bunch of people pressuring him to hurry up and finish the tourney and start another one, already! he is just now probably realizing what a time and work committment a successful tourney website is going to be...the shape of the future depends in a big way on how much of his time and energy he wants to spend doing this.

ok - enough thoughts for one morning!

A friendly reminder I will be joining the S class tourney and there is no more room unless someone has withdrawn. thanks!

good sct! one more reminder - if someone out there has an s class monster they want to enter, luzy has agreed to withdraw to make room.

we need a dexdrive for this, correct? and that
works with only PC, correct? ••••.

Yeah, sorry Jello, there appears to be no solution for Mac users, we have been looking. There's an adapter for the cable, to plug it into the Mac, no usuable software though.

Don't know if the software works in that Windows emulator for Mac.

I'm still wondering if the software works in windows 2000. (and I still need to get a working PSX again.)

The software is downlaodable online from the interact.com site, you can always try...

oh, well. at least it's some interesting stuff to
watch and follow. better than worrying about
my monster. :-)

S-class is now filled up...

ya, but if someone has an eligible monster, luzy will take a pass to the next one...

too late now! the tourney has begun. any monster wishing to enter can now get in line for the next one.

I have an idea for the tourney... I'll have to put it together and post it and then you can tell me whatcha guys think.

First off it will be divided into 9 sections... there will be a time limit on when you have to have your entries in by, if there aren't enough monsters in one section (4) then it can be combined with another section. It will go off main types.

Section 1: Girlish Monsters
Pixie, Undine, Mocchi, and Plant.

Section 2: Big Brawlers
Golem, Zilla, Beaclon, and Baku

Section 3: Little Brawlers
Hare, Hopper, Bajarl, and Kato.

Section 4: Evil Monsters
Dragon, Joker, Monol, and Mock.

Section 5: Good Monsters
Centaur, Gali, Tiger, and Phoenix.

Section 6: Doll-likes
Mew, Wracky, Ducken and Ghost.

Section 7: All-out monsters
Naga, Jill, Ape, and Gaboo.

Section 8: Armored Monsters
Niton, Jell, Durahan, and Arrowhead.

Section 9: Robots and the Funny ones
Henger, Metalner, Zuum, Suezo, Worm, and Colorpandora.

Of course this is just an idea... it can be changed or not be done at all. Now... back to the stat gains...

this would work, mepersoner. a lot depends on the availability of monsters...right now, there is no guarantee that even another open tourney would fill, despite the excitement the first tourneys ahve generated.

That's where the idea of combining tournies that aren't filled together comes into play. Of course a certain amount of monsters would still be needed.

On another thought about the re-use of monsters... if the monster participates in A then if it has the lifespan left it can continue to be trained to participate in the next S class tourney.

Oh and Beaclons go under armored!

There are some monsters that can fit in multiple sections. I was trying to keep them even so beaclon was placed in that section... which he also fits in.

o ya, i forgot, and didnt notice them in big brawlers. they should be there insted. your right.

Another thought... people could vote on the matches the want to see each round. There's four matches per round (in an 8 monster tourney) so people could vote to see 2 of those matches and whatever 2 they wanted to see in the next round.

that would be good in a large tourney setting. in a smaller one, i would rather it just be automatic - see every monster at least once in an early round, then show the crucial match-ups in the last rounds.

...where might I pick a dex drive up at?

By they by, I wouldn't mind competing, but do you actually get to view the fight, or are we just informed of the results?

Also, you put Dragon under evil. I recently raised a good dragon, with the hero badge, so does that knock him out?

follow the dex drive/interact link in the left window. your dragon is eligible under the current format - we are talking about possible changes, but so far tourneys are open to anyone who qualifies statistically. and you dont get to view the match, although some are "webcast" on fight night by fenrick - stop in the next one and check it out.

Well, I'd like to contribute two suggestions:

First, it may not be necessary to go as far as five battles for each pairing to determine the winner. The strength of Round Robin is that if you have bad luck against one monster, you will likely have good luck against another. So for a Round Robin tournament I wouldn't go for "best 3 out of 5", just match up each contender either once, twice, or three times against each opponent, and then the greatest number of wins takes it. (And you could have the same monster fight the same monster three times and win, whereas with 2 out of three you would have stopped at the second win)

For Elimination tournaments, though, it's more important that you don't knock someone out because of dumb luck. How about this: Hold a Round Robin tourney, one fight for each matchup, and then the four best scorers go on to the finals, which are Elimination. This would also eliminate the problem of ties. (Unless you have a tie for the fourth place slot. And then you can just hold extra Elimination rounds to break the ties)

As far as that goes, a Revenge Circuit may be an interesting concept as well, for those monsters that are out for blood and to redeem themselves, but are restricted by the class system. Just a little idea, I know that Torey was mentioning Anarchist, GoldenEye, and Hyde. This wouldn't even have to be a part of the actual tournament, merely a small gathering of battles to restore pride. ^_^ Seeing how this entire "Fight Night" thing is situated like "Celebrity Deathmatch" I'm guessing someone already thought of this, but I decided to bring it up anyways :D