Ok does a 2nd gen. monster mean that it was combined by two raised monsters only and not by just any two non-raised monsters? Because I'm using my Leziena which was gotten from my orignial Durahan (which came from two non-raised monsters) and a non-rasied jilt(which came from original wracky). In other words if you combine two non-raised monsters, does the result still count as a 2nd gen? Or is it only 2nd gen if you do it with two fully raised monsters?

In the case of the creature you'er mentioning, I'd actually call it a third generation monster, since your Jilt and Durahan were both second generation. Even if the monsters weren't raised, as soon as you make a 'breeding', I tend to call it a generation. However, when I use the term, I'm usually talking about raised creatures being put together. Still, if yuo have a newborn pixie and a nweborn jell and combine them, yuo have a newborn, 2nd generation, pixie/jell (or jell/pixie, or whatever), by my calculations.

Of course, this depends strongly on hte person as well.

2nd gen. monsters can be raised or unraised.
2nd gen. stats and attacks at least one must be raised.

there are two, exactly opposite, views on this definitional question.

everyone agrees that a monster right off the disc is a first gen. everyone agrees that a first gen combined with a first gen makes a second gen.

the different view are in answer to this question: what is it if you combine a second gen with a first gen?

View a: a monster is the lowest number gen +1. the resulting monster is a second gen.

View b: a monster is the highest number gen +1. the resulting monster is a third gen.

This is the way I decide Gens on my monsters... It's not iron clad by any means, but around here, with all those I game with, we've adopted this method of determining generation... It's more convoluted to look at than to use.

A first Gen monster is one of the following:

1) straight off of a CD
2) straight from the market
3) what you get when crossbreeding 2 monsters and using an item to make a completely new
breed (i.e. Fake Penguin + Evil Hare + Fire Feather = 1st Gen Phoenix)
4) Bred completely by subbreeds (see below)

Other than that, gen is decided by the Primary Breed Parent (Pixie/Kato + Gali/Monol = Pixie/Gali, where Pixie is the Primary Breed Parent [PBP]). Examples:

1) 4th Gen Angel + 2nd Gen Mock = 5th Gen Dryad
2) 1st Gen Mew + 3rd Gen Scaled Hare = 2nd Gen Eared Mew

The oddball here is if both subbreeds come through. The monster is considered 1st Gen at that point (various reasons... one being that if you got subbreeds only for the result, your numbers seem more subdued, at least that's our experience... that and it's neither a Suezo or a Zuum, despite the fact that' who its parents were). In other words:

1) 3rd Gen Evil Hare + 5th Gen Striker = 1st Gen Asphaltum
2) 8th Gen Granity + 1st Gen Rock Hound = 1st Gen Golem

That's how we do it Eugene style... : )

PezCat

Just like to say that everyone here really knows what there talking about, thanks for all the info.

What would u call a monster that is 2nd Gen (Naga/Naga - trained), combined with a 1st gen (Monol/Zuum - not trained). Then the offspring (Naga/Monol - trained) is combined with another 1st gen (Jell/Jell -not trained). and so on and so on. Would the Gen go up everytime the trained monster is combined with a 1st Gen?
Thanks

P.S. I kept the main breed Naga, Named him Mavala, i've combined him 4 times

that's one definition, the more lenient definition. others take a more hard-line view, definitionally, and would say that a monster's gen is only 1+ the gen of the youngest monster in the combo.

In truth, I tend to do something right in between the two. I average out the generation of the two monsters, thus averaging out what sort of gains I'm looking at. Thus, if I end up breeding a level 4 and a level 1, I don't end up calling it a level 5 (because there's no way it could have as good of stats as a true lev. 5) or a level 2 (because it should be better than just a 2). Thus, it'll end up the equivilent of a 3rd generation.

It's a rough way to do it, not quite scientific, but it ends up working for me.

When I mention the generation of the monster, I use the highest generation of the breeding pair and add 1.

The only exception is when I use a pair of untrained monsters to get a third. Then, the resulting offspring is a first generation monster.

Varthlokkur

In My Opinion, a 2nd generation monster is to have 2 trained 1st generation monsters combined.

This leaves you with a 2nd generation monster.
For me, a true 3rd generation monster would require 4 1st generation monsters (2X2 combined = 2 2nd gen monsters)
Then raise BOTH of the 2nd gen monsters for another combination which would result in the 3rd generation monster.

If you are combining a 2nd gen monster with a 1st gen untrained newborn, you COULD be wasting valuable stat scores, or possibly a nice move selection as well.

i always determine gens as the highest gen plus one as long as the monster has the same main breed as one of the monsters going in. so when i combined my traind hare/jell (2nd gen) with a half trained ape/golem 1st gen and it became a golem/hare it is a first gen golem. but if i breed a my 2nd gen undine/siren with a \3rd gen pixie/mock and it becomes a pixie pixie it would be a 4th gen since the pixie in the combo was a 3rd genner

just so you know i have not tried the second combo yet but barring resseting and my experience with undine combining (no matter what the percentage undine mains just don't like to come out without numerous resets) i am guessing that is what would happen at least a quarter of the time

I think like Monster Fenrick.