I got to the part where Philia appears but Chiho did not change stance! Now when I go back she talks about random things and not the date thing! Have I messed up my game entirely? Do I maybe need to get the Togle one first?

note: I have beaten Xevion

I never got this upgrade.

Got the Togle one. Will attempt Torble again.

Sorry for the double post but I'd like to say that if I can only get the Torble one now, this strongly suggests Infernus's theory that they need to be obtained in order.

Actually, if you do get it now, after the fact, it would be good to know. I never have heard of anyone getting them out of order, and actually, I've never heard of anyone other than myself getting the Vizley upgrade.

And always remember when doing this:

"Don't be discouraged if you don't get this on your first attempt. If you've gone every chance you had for about a year, go somewhere else, completely break all rules I mention, and start there again.

Get this, I went to Torble one time after getting the Togle upgrade and BAM Torble upgrade. Infernus I thnk you got something with the order thing. I think Ryumn is a lost cause as you can't talk to the shopkeeper. Vizley here I come!

Actually I got them out of order this last time I played for sure. The first few saves I don't know because I wasn't paying attention but this time I know I got them out of order. I went to Togle then Vizley then Torble. Vizley is easy I think but takes longer for that convo between Talt and Laurier. Did anyone else ever notice that they call him HIM/HIS/HE for the whole game but after the shop upgrade in Vizley there is a part where Laurier calls him She? It's sort of bizarre I think though I always thought he was a she anyway because of that super manly pink smock and headband but who knows.

A couple (late) notes from my attempt to get this upgrade.

I got the upgrade before beating Xevion (I'm not sure exactly where I am in the story, but the next step to advance it is to beat the Official A-rank tourney). However, about a week or two later, I went back and talked to Chiho...and got the scene with Philia. After that, the shop un-upgraded. Chiho went back to her old pose, and the new items went away.

I didn't try to regain it (I'd saved a couple weeks prior, so I decided to just load and not risk losing it for good), but something to keep an eye out for.